October 16, 2012
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Since I made it clear in a previous posts that neither canidate is probably saved I think it is worthwhile to consider why I would vote for a none Christian.
1. The first reason is very simple living in the world we work with nonebelievers every day and it would indeed be hypocritical for me to say I could not support a None believer in government. This of course does not mean that there are certain places where believers should be exclusive. Church membership should be only for those who acknowledge Jesus as Lord.
2. Many share the basic Chritian worldview. To not vote would be to vote for an even more anti God view.
3. It is the duty of a follower of Christ to be involved for the good of his nation. We have the great priviledge of voting.
Though I have already made up my mind because the current President and his party is antifamily, anti business, anti religious, anti constitution and pro death; I am intensly interested in the debated. I want to know how our country thinks and how to pray for both our current President and I hope our next President.
Comments (13)
@ Myself, I didn’t write the uh-huh. Apparently that’s an automatic when you give a Mini???
“the current President and his party is antifamily, anti business, anti religious, anti constitution and pro death”
Yes, half of the country are murderous home wrecking communists who hate religion.
You’re not a bigot at all.
@agnophilo - Half the country certainly not. The platform of that party is largely evil though. Since when did policy have to do with being bigoted? Anti family has to do with welfare as well as gay marriage,anti Constitution has to do with his overall actions as well as his words that he wants to fundamentally change America, Pro death is his views on killing children as well as his death panels. I pray that someday the DNC may indeed moderated itself so that it is not so anti God. By the way just like in cults there can be good Democrats, just not many nationally and the system typically corrupts them.
@Seranish_Shores - Apparently so. Thanks I do appreciate it.
@New1E13_15 - ”Half the country certainly not.”
Just people who vote democrat, which is about half of the country.
“The platform of that party is largely evil though.”
I would say the same about the republicans. And in fact I could quote jesus to back me up most of the time.
“Since when did policy have to do with being bigoted?”
That doesn’t make sense, I was saying you are bigotted for basically writing half of the country off as evil and anti-family etc as though they are all monsters just for not agreeing with your political views. I don’t agree with you but I don’t go around trying to vilify you because of it.
“Anti family has to do with welfare”
How do you figure? And remember jesus told the rich to sell their posessions and give their money to the poor, how exactly is looking out for the poor un-christian?
“as well as gay marriage,”
How does giving gay people equal legal rights under the law hurt anyone’s family? That’s like saying you’re anti-christian if you think jews should be able to vote too.
“anti Constitution has to do with his overall actions as well as his words that he wants to fundamentally change America,”
Could you be any more vague please? What part of the constitution has he violated? Because his predecessor violated a bunch of parts. Only congress can declare war, no unlawful searches and seizures, no cruel or unusual punishment, right to a trial by one’s peers etc just off the top of my head.
“Pro death is his views on killing children as well as his death panels.”
There is no such thing as a “death panel”, that was invented out of thin air. A provision of the healthcare reforms was that your insurance has to pay for an end of life care consultation (provided you need one, are terminally ill etc) but only once in a 5 year period. This was twisted by liars into “every 5 years you have to be told by the government how you’re going to die”. It was never true. And as for abortion the president said he would support a ban on late term abortion and no republicans took him up on it. But to characterize his position (or that of nearly all pro-choicers) as “pro-death” is just ignorant. It shows you have never actually taken the time to learn about why people don’t agree with you on the subject.
“I pray that someday the DNC may indeed moderated itself so that it is not so anti God.”
No politician in america can be elected without proclaiming belief in god and ending every speech with god bless america. You are living in a fantasy world. The whole “they took god out of the party platform” hype was nonsense there are entire sections of the party platform about faith and religion.
“By the way just like in cults there can be good Democrats, just not many nationally and the system typically corrupts them.”
Uh huh.
Do you believe in Mitt Romney’s Mormon faith? Just curious.
As @agnophilo - has pointed out, both here and in more depth on his own blog, Republicans have remained the “pro-life” party for decades now, yet never seem to want to do anything about it. They pay lip-service, but that’s about it.
Believe what you want about the Democratic party, but at least they follow through on the majority of their promises and platforms, even if some in the country disagree with them. This is shown by President Obama’s 53% “kept or compromised” rating through Politifact.org on his promises claim.
.@cmdr_keen - Naturally liberals can keep their word on evil just like the leader of Iraan who has said he would like to destroy Israel, you can indeed trust sinful man to keep some of his promises. Notice though that liberals often lie to get elected. As far as the President personally, if you mean destroying Americas greatness and trying to remake America then yes the President is keeping his word. He is keeping his word on higher gas prices crushing energy resources and so much more. He is not keeping his word on unemployment, immigration, transparancy and many other issues. While most Democrats are liberals far from all Republicans are Conservative. In the two party system one goes for the lesser of two evils and tries to influence them for good.
@New1E13_15 -
Unemployment is back to what it was in January 2009, and some pollsters (eg Gallup) have unemployment at around 7.3 – 7.5%.
So much of what you’ve wrote is so blatantly untrue it’s almost laughable. One “for instance”: if you believe that the President alone has power to control gas prices, you’re delusional.
All politicians lie to a greater or lesser extent to get elected, and Republicans are no exception. The same site that rated Obama’s promise as 53% “complete or compromised” (with 17% “broken or stalled”) rated the Republicans as 30% “complete or compromised” along with 26% “broken or stalled”. While President Obama has 2 out of 508 as “not yet rated”, the GOP equivalent is 16 out of 57.
Expecting a complete turn around because your candidate of choice may be elected is also fairly delusional, and some Obama supporters are particularly guilty of this mindset. Faith in politicians is rarely rewarded.
@cmdr_keen - On this we agree. I hope not only for a new President but for a conservative congress.
@cmdr_keen - Add “in the works” and it’s a much larger number.
@New1E13_15 - You say nothing of substance, just throw out vague generalizations. It’s the equivalent of me saying “christians are all evil liars”. If I were going to vilify you I’d at least have the courtesy to be specific and make a lucid argument.
And I’m still waiting for a response to my last comment which you ignored completely.
@agnophilo -
I am happy to argue facts and their applications like the unemployment rate, which is actually much worse because of the amount of people not counted in the workforce, or policies such as welfare as administered by government. Indeed if you accepted the authority of scripture the application of Jesus teachings could be debated, however since you start out with several false premise I don’t see how I could answer you as your mind already seems to be made up.
Men often start with such premise that you are incompetent, not lucid in this discussion, bigoted and hypocritical. They demand answers then attack whatever you say. An excellent example of this is demanding candidates’ tax returns above and beyond what is required by law and then vilifying him based on them in any way possible. There is no search for truth only mud slinging in such discussions.
@New1E13_15 - ”I am happy to argue facts and their applications like the unemployment rate, which is actually much worse because of the amount of people not counted in the workforce, or policies such as welfare as administered by government. Indeed if you accepted the authority of scripture the application of Jesus teachings could be debated, however since you start out with several false premise I don’t see how I could answer you as your mind already seems to be made up.”
You’re typing many words and just avoiding having an actual discussion. Stop talking about talking and tell me why any of what I said is actually wrong. Don’t tell me my views are based on a false premise, even if that were true it’s of no use to me unless you tell me what the premise is and why it is false. SAY SOMETHING.
“Men often start with such premise that you are incompetent, not lucid in this discussion, bigoted and hypocritical.”
You make very negative generalizations about huge swathes of people and mis-characterize their views in the most negative light possible – how is that not prejudice and bigotry? And I said that your statement was not lucid because it wasn’t, you were being vague to the point of not saying anything specific enough to even respond to.
“They demand answers then attack whatever you say.”
I am not just interested in being mindlessly contrary, I will agree with something you say if I agree with it.
“An excellent example of this is demanding candidates’ tax returns above and beyond what is required by law and then vilifying him based on them in any way possible. There is no search for truth only mud slinging in such discussions.”
I don’t see how transparency and holding romney to the standard every other president in living memory has been held to is somehow unfair. And not all criticism is smears or mudslinging. Criticism that is accurate is perfectly legitimate, even if it is damaging to a candidate. I did a blog awhile back where I pointed out how much money romney made one year and how much he gave to charity (a miniscule amount) and I asked my readers if jesus had 28 million dollars in annual investment revenue, how much would he give to charity? And how many mansions would he live in? I then said if the answer to the first was 3 and the answer to the second was six, vote for mitt romney.
And know what? Lots of people argued with me – not one romney supporter actually answered the question.